Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. September 29, 2007 Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. December 8, 2006 November 12, 2006 August 7, 2018 Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. He goes up one notch for being a character! He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. April 24, 2003 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! GoMets2006 NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. April 24, 2003 =Chuck= He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. . Robert Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. He flips his shades to the top of his head, orders a yuppie beer and chats with a group of middle-aged women at the next table. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. mets As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. (thankfully returning in '81). April 30, 2009 I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Bartolo Colon etc). NO WAY he was 170 pounds. February 25, 2003 Shickhaus Franks Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Man, he was a big one. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mr. Sparkle The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). God bless him wherever he is and good luck! LA-Mets It's just too sweet.ALBERT KIM. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Mickey liked his doughnuts. You've got to pay attention to all the details every day. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. 170 lbs.? He later came back to play for the Padres. senor ortiz A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Michael There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. December 20, 2019 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Shari or Bruce Kison. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the December 20, 2019 September 29, 2007 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. He later resurfaced with the Padres. The point is he made a bad team worse. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Max Power A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. support. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. August 11, 2015 After one year in New York Lolich retired. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. support. senor ortiz I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Ron from Tampa He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Feat Fan He started 45 games and completed 29. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. November 19, 2002 Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. pete Shari The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". Raymond Malcuit Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? The heights and the depths: the Mets won-lost record at the end of each season. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? Mike B Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. March 5, 2006 (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. April 23, 2003 OK it was a terrible trade. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. He had terrific stuff. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. 170 lbs.? But this one defied all logic from the beginning. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. 170 lbs.? I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. The point is he made a bad team worse. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Shari What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. We are going all the way!" Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Really? $289.95. September 29, 2007 $184.99. Al The point is he made a bad team worse. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. August 7, 2018 GoMets2006 June 30, 2019 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Mike B The date was December 12, 1975, a Friday. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Mets leaders, by category, in post-season games. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Bartolo Colon etc). December 8, 2006 He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Al You can't be serious. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Raymond Malcuit Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. 170 lbs.? Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. That would make him a star in today's market. No contest. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Jim Snedeker As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. The sign reads MICKEY LOLICH DONUT AND PASTRY SHOP. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. Raymond Malcuit Jr. 1:23 AM Apr 26th We are going all the way!" I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? I know the one in Lake Orion was probably open till the early 90s. June 30, 2019 Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. April 30, 2009 Mickey liked his doughnuts. bob saunders In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Jim Snedeker Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Bob P April 24, 2003 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Mickey liked his doughnuts. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mickey loved his Harley. May 8, 2003 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Mickey Lolich at his donut shop in Detroit. He later came back to play for the Padres. November 12, 2006 The point is he made a bad team worse. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. 25 wins. Mr. Sparkle Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. October 18, 2008 August 11, 2015 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" Learn about Lake Orion, the city coined "Where Living is a Vacation". As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. pete But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? Raymond Malcuit Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Stu Baron Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Really? He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. And complaining about how fat he was? NYB Buff Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. May 8, 2003 Ramblin' Pete His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. (thankfully returning in '81). Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. ''There were a couple of things when I was a player that bothered me,'' Lolich said. (6) Website Directions. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Bob P I he one. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. October 13, 2008 The shop, the second Lolich has owned since 1979, flourishes because of his fame, his garrulous nature, and the baseball souvenirs on display, which later this week will include his own $3,500 replica of the Tigers' 1968 World Series trophy. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. etc. 170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. GoMets2006 Raymond Malcuit ''You can talk all you want about 217,'' Lolich said, ''but when you see them all in a cluster you know that's a lot of work.''. Randy Tate Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. eddiek I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. John Bruce August 7, 2002 Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Peter The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Jamey Bumbalo =Chuck= October 4, 2005 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. Stu Baron Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Breck said he doesnt believe she has a substance abuse problem but he ordered the tests as a safeguard. Mickey Lolich Birth Name: Michael Stephen Lolich Occupation: Baseball Player Born In: Portland Birthdate: September 12, 1940 Age: 82 years old (as of 2022) Ethnicity: Unknown Nationality: American Sexuality: N/A Mickey Lolich was born on the 12th of September, 1940. April 27, 2013 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. October 4, 2006 I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. 6'1", 170???? I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. pete Shari September 25, 2013 December 13, 2007 Bobster1985 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. We are going all the way!" Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Dianna Jeanneh Jones As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Jay (thankfully returning in '81). Shickhaus Franks Doug S. Michael support. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? 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